Monday, March 11, 2013

The Narcissist and the Codependent: A Tragedy

I finally put a name to this common cycle, so I have to write about it!

Once again, here's the link to the article that opened my eyes: Narcissism Understood.

As easy as it is to write a shopping list of all the things he has done wrong, it's more productive and fulfilling to pinpoint the cause of all the strange, mystifying behaviors. My personal narcissist is not near as bad as some mentioned in this article, but he is bad enough for me to run away screaming. 

(This post is the gist of the information from the article linked above. It's a long article, so I'm just whittling it down to key points).

Before I write down his traits though, let's define narcissism. In a nutshell, it's what happens when a person doesn't like himself so much that he banishes his 'true self' to permanent hiding inside a thick shell. He will create and worship a false identity for himself that, to him, is more tolerable. A narcissist appears to adore himself and gives you that 'too good to be true' feeling so commonly felt before a roller coaster of emotions.

The sad part is, false identities do not have feelings. They are fake and, in general, man-made things do not possess emotions. The whole purpose of this false identity is to be able to function without emotion. To be a functioning member of society without pain. Generally narcissists have experienced so much emotional confusion or pain as a child that they literally shut down. 

I've seen a ton of articles claiming that narcissists cannot change, but I don't believe that's the case. I do believe, however, that they will NOT change unless they want to, and that for most of us, it's safest to avoid intimate relationships. We sometimes become narcissists ourselves as a defense against their pain. Unfortunately, treating them as they treat us does not 'teach' them anything, it only adds to their self-loathing. As much as we want to squash/humiliate/cut this person as deep as they have cut us, it will not help. Criticism and abandonment only strengthen the shell. So who the hell should be there to support them on their journey through healing? That's a question we each have to answer for ourselves.

This is How I Recognized My Narcissist:
  • Most narcissists aren’t in therapy, and even if they are, may not be diagnosed as NPD. Psychologists freely admit this, as well as the frustration and impossibility of working effectively with NPD’s.
  • By definition, narcissists severely lack humility and will avoid admitting there’s something wrong with them at all costs.
  • A narcissist feels terrorized at the thought of vulnerability (being emotionally honest), and develops a pathological false self to guard the unresolved emotional wounds.
  • Narcissism is a condition of separation, distrust and ‘me versus you’. Such states make a relationship (which requires by definition: teamwork, trust and co-operation) impossible to sustain.
  • Have you loved a person who is never wrong, never sorry and believes it is always someone else’s fault? Have you ever experienced an individual who’s non-accountable for their behavior and doesn't learn despite the mayhem and pain they produce? Have you witnessed an individual who has no tolerance for the slightest criticism, even when given constructive advice?
  • Mundane tasks that don’t offer narcissistic supply are avoided and even resented. - house cleaning and relationship maintenance for Brian.
  • The classic bully is an archetype of the narcissist. The bully is a person who takes their own needs primarily by charm or intimidation. To the outer world this person may appear incredibly assertive, confident, charismatic, powerful and self-assured. Nothing could be further from the truth.
  • Narcissism is a grave condition of insecurity and desperately feeling unloved and unacceptable. An individual with Narcissistic Personality Disorder inherently believes they are ‘damaged goods’ and fears other individuals will discover the truth: that they feel powerless. Thus the narcissist invests a great deal of energy into ‘gaining the upper hand’, to hide feeling vulnerable, insecure and broken. When they are getting what they want, the charm is flowing and plentiful. When the charm doesn't work the intimidation begins. Narcissism is categorised as an unhealthy level of self-absorption and a lack of empathy regarding how their insecure, aggressive and damaging behavior affects the world around them.
  • In the myth of Narcissus, the hero fell in love with his own reflection. On the surface it may seem he was madly in love with himself. But look deeper. He was in love with his reflection. This reflection was not his true self. The very fact he fell in love with the illusionary part of himself meant he was not capable of loving his true self. To escape these disowned ‘unacceptable’ parts a narcissist scripts and creates an image of himself that he can tolerate.
  • This image is a grandiose version, a version of him that is admired, adored and respected by and in control of others. He needs to be unique and he hates to be one of the crowd or ‘normal’.

No matter what the outer world initially sees, the narcissist’s depth of empathy and support is sadly non-existent, If there is no ‘pay off’ of constant admiration, his support towards you (which was initially over-the-top plentiful) becomes unavailable. In fact the narcissist has to spend so much energy mining attention for himself, He doesn't have the resources to give genuinely (without agenda) to others. He can't offer resources that do not exist.

This information put an instant end to my tears and pain. It's not about me, it's about him and his pain. He doesn't understand what he's doing. When I stopped taking it personally, I stopped crying and realized I did the right thing by getting out before I, too, was broken.

This is How I Recognized Myself:

  • If you’re in a relationship with a true narcissist, by the time the personality disorder is obvious, you’re hooked, empty and exhausted (it happens bit by bit without you realising) and powerless to create boundaries and protect yourself.
  • Sadly, when many women realise that the narcissist is insecure and isn’t reassured, she’ll try harder to love him. Additionally he’ll blame his behaviour on something that you are or aren’t doing, and as women we may try to ‘do it better’ or ‘get it right’. Your increased efforts to love him and make him happy only lines you up for more abuse.
  • They will tolerate being damaged and feel sorry for the other person, yet in reality co-dependents are terrified about laying boundaries and taking control of their own lives. Boundary function is imperative protection against a narcissistic individual. Co-dependents love so much it hurts; whereas their self-development lies in learning to love themselves enough to stop the pain. When a co-dependent teams up with a narcissist (and many do) they will have their scant boundaries disintegrated and end up tolerating behaviour and abuse that they never thought they would. They will try again and again to prove their love, devotion and loyalty to the narcissist, all the way to their self-demise.
Even back in my marriage, I could not place the constant feeling that 'if he does this, I will feel better.' Yet no matter what he did, I was not happy. (There as also the fact that he wouldn't work, wouldn't help with kids/house/whatever and still wanted me at his beck and call). I needed to stop being a control freak and set boundaries. My ex husband has serious confidence issues, and I became his abuser every time I got 'good' at something or was progressing in life. I was happier with my own confidence, but upset by his need to control every time something was going right for me. He sees it exactly opposite... every time he started to feel good about himself and life, I went along and did something to ruin it for him (got a job, started school, was good at something). His source was dry and he went psycho control freak. I really do believe that I trained my ex-husband to act the way he did. I allowed him to be extremely lazy, as it allowed me to be in control... however out of control I was.

I've realized that rather than fix everyone around me, I need to fix myself and stop surrounding myself with other codependents or narcissists. I have to end this pattern! Once and for ALL! 

I'm ready for love. After a full of year of counseling, I have admitted to myself that I want to be accepted, I want to be loved and wanted, and I need attention. The problem with narcissists is they try to convince you that your basic needs are too much to ask, and you go crazy trying to figure out how to do it 'right' and make your partner happy enough to love you back. How about making yourself happy?? In reality, the narcissist has the same needs, but will not allow them to be fulfilled, because he is unable to allow them to exist in the first place. 

We have to accept that we have realistic needs. I know I am strong enough to never again allow an inferiority complex or a narcissist to convince me that I'm asking too much. But I have to learn to love myself just a little more, so I can be confident and single without being detached or depressed, and to let myself fall when I find what I need. I need to learn to trust and respect men again. I had a good start about a year ago, but I know I'm not where I need to be to be successful in a relationship. But I'm learning. :)

31 comments:

  1. Hi, I just came across your post in a google search. My Narcissist broke up with me four weeks ago completely out of the blue, no warning, nothing. It left me confused dazed, and started to make me question myself and my own behaviours. At one point I was trying to work out if I created the downward spiral or it was them. SInce leaving I have felt more confident, but because my confidence was so low in the relationship, I actually feel like a Narcissist even asserting myself. Suffice to say I am all over the place at the moment and I hope my feelings and confusion subsides.

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  2. Hey Nick! How are you doing? I totally understand feeling like a Narcissist myself! However.. you're not a Narcissist, because a TRUE Narcissist wouldn't recognize the behavior in himself. :) Stay strong, find yourself, love yourself, and better things are sure to come your way!

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  3. On August 1, I was blindsided by my husbands abrupt exit - via text, ending of our 20 year marriage (ok 19 married and 2 engaged). Thankfully my Mom and Step-Dad told me to research NPS and I have discovered the true reason for his "needing" to leave. It wasn't because of doing the dishes his way, or disrespectfully leaving my clothes on the bathroom floor, or stealing his bic lighter-- it was because he is a narcissist. Unfortunately, although I have had therapy in the past for co-dependency, I have come to realize over the past 2 months that I have to learn to break the cycle. I keep finding myself in conversations with him, about our children at first, but end up being my "taking in" more of his self-generated lies about me, and the so-called unhappy marriage. He began to try to control me through his interactions with our kids, direct text messages containing obvious condescension. Every day gets easier, but the anxiety has set back in since our custody hearing is in 2 week. I have fears he will win somehow. I urgently hope the family court judge can see through the calm, present demeanor, he will exhibit.

    He was the leaver-- the abandon-er..

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    1. Oh honey... the dreaded custody battle awaits. Please be sure to have PLENTY of support through the court case. Counseling, family, friends, etc. I have never felt more suicidal in my life than when I was going through my six-month long battle. Some people (ex-husbands especially) have a way of getting to us. Don't get too down. I know it will be rough, but do NOT let him convince you that you should step down. My psycho ex almost had me convinced that he had the better, 'stable' home. Don't fall for it. Stay strong and love your babies and yourself. If it helps, put a daily reminder in your phone that says 'I'm NOT crazy.' Good luck!!

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  4. I meant to type NPD-- not NPS

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  5. I have never done this before. Made a comment on the net. I am a codependent individual who has spent a lifetime of attracting and being attracted to narcs. I have spent countless hours in therapy over the years. Each new relationship seemed to give me hope that I had changed or had been "cured". Each new person seemed so different from the last. Same shit different pile. Why am I sharing my pitiful story? Because miracles do happen! I have just come out of a 12 year relationship with a narc. Something interesting happened when I stepped back and decided to ask for respect, consideration, and love. My partner decided that I was just too needy and they felt suffocated and controlled. Wow! Until I asked for change I was a "lovely" trained monkey. Certainly never needy, suffocating or controlling. Aint gaslighting a bitch. Stand up...love the greatness that is you....there will never be another you.....marvel in the endless nature of love and low and behold the narcs will run. run run!!!!!!

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  7. I am separated from my husband and the narcissist who "targeted" me has decided that I am just no longer worth the trouble. I know now it is because I started needing things from him and I quit being cute and new. He blew up at me and threw all my stuff out of his house. Prior to the blow up I was having thoughts of suicide and trying to figure out why I was not good enough. It was not a good mindset to be in. Since the blow up, I have done (and continue to do) a lot of research about myself and the narc. He keeps telling me he needed a break because I don't know who I am. I am laughing at that because at least I am a real person. He is a fantastic looking shell of a person with no clue how to be in a relationship. He blames me that he gets hurt but he puts himself in situations that cannot possible workout because he can't sustain a relationship. He has told me several times that he is predator. I just hate that I was the prey.

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  8. I married a Narcissist. My birthday is June 22nd and we got married June 26th. We stayed married for 10 months and out of the blue just like Nick above, she just left me like I didn't matter. Two weeks after she left me we were legally separated and she had a boy friend. She also started to tell people I was an awful husband and I was crazy. When I met her, she had just gotten out of a relationship where the guy was physically abusive and before him she had been raped. I honestly don't know if any of it was true. She told me right before she started dating her boy friend that because of her morals she wouldn't even hold another man's hand until after the divorce was final. So I believe everything was a lie now. After all this happened at first though, I started to question myself as well. I am still confused but I am starting to understand finally. At least I think I am. What made things worse was I found out I could possibly my a codependant. I lost my identity when I met her. All I wanted to do was please her and thats what I did. I went to work and when I got home we did whatever she wanted. She only worked 1 to 8 hours a week and called in sick all the time because she didn't feel like working. She complained that I didn't do enough around the house, so I started doing all of the laundry, dishes, cut the grass, whatever she wanted, I started doing stuff she didn't complain about so she couldn't have it to complain about. She was really good at making me feel like I wasn't doing enough and when we first started dating, she built me up like I was the best thing ever"made me feel like I was saving her life". Slowly she started to change. I wasn't showing her enough attention and I wasn't doing enough. Also when I met her she was 185LBs and when she finally left me she was 123LBs. when she lost all the weight she started getting lots of attention from guys and always wanted to go to night clubs and bars suddenly. I was really oblivious or maybe I wanted to be oblivious. I honestly feel like she built me up so she could break me down. I am still confused as to what actually happened, As far as I knew we were really happy. I didn't start to realize or think about any of the above issues until recently. Anyone that wants to talk or has any insight on this, or any ideas of how to get over her, please contact me at cjenkins5161@yahoo.com. Even though she treated me terribly since the break up and really showed me she doesn't care about me and may have never cared about me. I'm still having trouble getting over her. I actually feel bad for the guy she is dating now. He has no idea and as far as he knows....I'm the crazy ex husband.

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  9. Funny, how so many of these relationships seem to end with the Narc just abruptly abandoning the co-dependent spouse. Exactly the same thing happened to me. My Husband of 17 years (with two children) just up and left for a woman in his office he'd been seeing for less than a month. He even admitted that she wasn't very smart and he didn't have any respect for her. He called her "Low Hanging Fruit." I think with these guys there's a need to replace the old Narc Supply when we start to see through their nonsense and replace us with a fresh new Supply who doesn't have the experience to see past that charming mask they can put on so well. Creating a false, inflated self image doesn't work anymore when the old partner starts to lose respect for them. That's why we get tossed aside like garbage. We get treated like an appliance that's ceased to function because that's essentially what we are to them. If the pattern holds, they will continue with the same old behaviors in the new relationship until THAT supply is drained as well. They will continue moving along in a perpetual cycle, never managing to form a true bond with anyone.

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    1. Great post. Divorced from a NPD, was the Codep. I started grad school and he left. Looking back any time I was happy he was upset. He's having an affair with a married woman with kids but they both deny it and say they are friends. They were caught spending a weekend together. She is just a codependent, who clearly will lie and cheat on him and she is his narcissist supply. I'm still dealing with the after affects from this marriage.

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  10. There is not a single characteristic of narcissism that my husband doesn't have...not a single one. We had been married a year when I got pregnant and he told me he wanted me to get an abortion because it would upset me stepdaughter. For my entire pregnancy, he seemed angry that I required attention, all of which he denied. Nothing...not one backrub....he did get me a glass of water at his parents house but I knew full well it was all show. He did take me to doctor appointments complaining the whole time that I needed to hurry the doctor's up because he didn't have time for it. He would get downright angry. He broke up with me the day before I had my son and then in the hospital room. I was hurt because he left me alone in the hospital and then called a woman he was attracted to. It was innocent enough but I was so hurt from being alone that I dared say something about it. He broke up with me there and told me I was the worst person in the world. The thing you wrote about a narcissist feeling that even your most basic needs are too much trouble just made me burst into tears. This is SO true. I can't need anything. I can't be sick, or hurt, or tired or angry about anything, ever. Ever. But I am expected to jump whenever he says jump. The thing is, he will occasionally do something I ask but it will always require excessive acknowledgement and adoration and the whole thing will have to be about him. Does that make sense? Why am I here? Why do I allow him to torture me?

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    1. To hell with fair weather people! I still have friends who think that 'he's not ready to hear all my drama' or 'I guess I ask too much' and I think it's BULL SHIT. Your needs are JUST as important as his. Healthy relationships involved two people who care about their own needs. It's not selfish or whatever the narcs try to tell us. You need to focus on yourself and your emotional health, and your child. If that sends him off the deep end because he's not getting what he wants, then let him jump. You don't need him.

      It's extremely difficult to break it off with these assholes because they have convinced us that we need them. But we don't! Starve him of attention as he has starved you and he'll remove himself from the picture all by himself. No work on your part. But you have to let him leave when he leaves. Don't beg him back or fall for any of the mind games he'll try to play. You don't need it. You need YOU and your child needs YOU. You can't care for anyone unless you care for yourself. As unattractive as that is to your narc, it's the truth.

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  11. Mine would do things... for an audience! If no one could see and admire - forget it!

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  12. My ex-N husband tried to have me involuntarily committed to a psych hospital because I criticized him (privately - one small issue). Judging by his dramatic over-reaction and sudden hatred of me, I'd say it's evidence that I was correct. Ouch. He tried to retaliate with slandering me to everyone - the "mentally ill" card - which FAILED, because I'm not the crazy one - and after only 9 months of marriage he cut & ran when confronted with all his lies and manipulations (of people & counselors) - he was UNMASKED!

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  13. I met really a successful, good looking, charming man on a dating sight. From our first date he was really digging me. He gave me complements all the time, always opened doors, paid for everything and was super attentive. He used the love word a lot. Didn't tell me he loved me (way too soon for that), but he would always say, I love this about you and I love that about you which caught me as unusual. He also started finding ways to casually mention me meeting his family members.. It caught me as a little much and I wondered if I was getting played but I liked him so I brushed it off. As soon as I made it known that I was into him, I noticed a change.. Wasn't that surprised because men can be like that sometimes so as he backed off with his attentiveness so did I. Then he started to get upset that I wasn't being more attentive so to please him I suggested we take our profiles off the sight and started initiating contact more. Before I knew it, I was initiating all the contact and when I didn't he would act hurt. And he would often take for ever to respond of disappear during txt conversation. Then he started making casual tenitive plans and then not mentioning it again and inviting me to come over when he knew I couldn't (had my kid) and then when we did see each other he would make a big deal about how he was always inviting me and I wasn't coming over.. It felt very insincere and it made me start questioning all the other things he was saying and doing. One evening he kept reading me about not coming to see him sooner so I said "stop that, I'm on to you.".. I swear he made a face like "oh shit she sees me".. Rest of the night went great. I left the next morning and then he stopped responding to my txt. After 3 days of that B.S. I said screw him and got back on the dating sight. A day later he txt me to tell me he didn't want to stop seeing me. He just pulls away when he starts getting close, BUT he saw I was back on the dating sight so he just want to say sorry and take care.. So basically he wasn't officially ditching me before but now he was... It sucked and it was hurtful but I'm glad because I feel like I singed a bullet and I'm glad it ended before I was totally sucked into the craziness because it was def heading that way. Sorry for typos. I'm sure there are plenty.

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    1. The situation you describe can also happen to men. I was with someone who was very good at talking her way out of a corner. In the end, we feel used and abused and want nothing more for that person to see who they are. Her ability to lie to not only her mother, daughter, son and me was and is a little disturbing. They want you to be there when they need you, not when you need them.

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  14. My 3-year relationship with a narc just ended a little over a week....it has been quite exhausting After the last terrible argument, I just found myself exhausted and burned out. I just lost it and just gave him a dose of what it is like to have the upper hand. It was very painful but I just got tired of the control. whenever he did not get what he wanted...no matter how unreasonable he is, he thinks I ought to give it at whatever cost. never saw things as his fault...it was always mine. I never saw how I was always trying to please him and would do anything to show him I am the best girl he will ever have.
    Last night I kept thinking maybe I should apologize for being at rage. I got other people involved in this fight...he surely did not like it because it made him look really bad. He was very embarrassed. But I just had it and I just could not put up with it anymore. I found myself in tears....regretting I ever did what I did to displease him and feared he would never come back to me again (since he would always take that 10-day break away from me every time he wanted to control me). Then a common friend of ours sent me a text asking how I was and I eventually had a conversation with her. She opened my eyes to what she thought was a typical case of codependency and NPD. Now I see how what I could be going through is what I think is love but not necessarily so....it may so much be some kind of addiction. Now I feel different....I feel that the awareness of this condition in me is in itself helpful in the recovery......I need to release the narcissist from my life,

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  15. My 3 year relationship ended a few days ago. My ex boyfriend was rather controlling. Every time things did not turn out his way, he would stop talking to me for 10 days...yes there was a pattern. No matter how hurt I was to the point that I would want to end the relationship, by the time he calls, everything just seems to be alright. Whatever he did is completely forgotten and everything seems ok again because I have my man back. It was a very y vicious cycle. I would have sleepless nights and constant head aches. I felt I would never be able to live my life without him. last week, we had this terrible fight and I just felt too exhausted and drained already. I learned to fight back because the pain was too much to ut up with anymore. He wanted to control me and he way he always did it was to ignore me but I was too fed up and I showed him how I can gain the upper hand because I was so much smarter than him. He did not like it because I emasculated him. I got other people involved and he was very embarrassed. He broke up with me. THE NERVE! So I showed him how I can still play because I had him in my hands. I knew too many things about him that I could use against him and he did not like it. But in the midst of this all, I felt I lost a very big part of me because I loved him too much....I loved him more than life!
    Last night I was about to write a letter of apology. I thought it would be best so I would heal and feel right about it. I am so glad I talked to friend who just sent me a text to ask how I was doing. God must have sent her my way ... I truly believe so. She opened my eyes and told me this is a typical case of a relationship between a person suffering from codependency and someone with NPD. Funny how I am a clinical psych graduate and I did not see this at all....... Now I feel better because I see things clearer now. The awareness will help me recover. I just pray I can be strengthened daily

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  16. I am a narcissist. And i didnt realize that the co-dependent that truly loved me would ever leave me..we have broken up 2 months ago.( been together since we were 15&16..now 25 years old...so 10 years together)..and now that i feel that i truly feel the way she has felt about me. I try to beg for her back...but it only pushed her further away. She just started dating a man who is also co-depemdent like her self and i feel like i will never have another chance..I miss her so much and i cry every day...knowing that i screwed up..not b.c shes with someone else..but b.c i know now how hard it was for her. I really want her back..i texted and called her a lot ( while she was with new boyfriend) in 2 weeks ( trying to prove to her that i realize that i screwed up) and she said that i acted psycho...(umm hello? Shes was so attached to me when we were married that she wouldnt stop calling until i answered)and now im the psycho...i wonder if they will stick together being that they are both co-dependent people...i feel soo bad and theres nothing that i can do...other than to wait..and its killing me.i will never want another woman again .and i will wait for my x to want me back for the rest of my life..good luck everyone.

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  17. I am a narcissist. And i didnt realize that the co-dependent that truly loved me would ever leave me..we have broken up 2 months ago.( been together since we were 15&16..now 25 years old...so 10 years together)..and now that i feel that i truly feel the way she has felt about me. I try to beg for her back...but it only pushed her further away. She just started dating a man who is also co-depemdent like her self and i feel like i will never have another chance..I miss her so much and i cry every day...knowing that i screwed up..not b.c shes with someone else..but b.c i know now how hard it was for her. I really want her back..i texted and called her a lot ( while she was with new boyfriend) in 2 weeks ( trying to prove to her that i realize that i screwed up) and she said that i acted psycho...(umm hello? Shes was so attached to me when we were married that she wouldnt stop calling until i answered)and now im the psycho...i wonder if they will stick together being that they are both co-dependent people...i feel soo bad and theres nothing that i can do...other than to wait..and its killing me.i will never want another woman again .and i will wait for my x to want me back for the rest of my life..good luck everyone.

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  18. I was in a lesbian relationship for 11 years with a narcissist. She was beautiful, charming, a lot of fun, etc....
    She cheated on me many times with women she worked with, women on business trips, and the last couple of years who ever paid attention to her.She than had a long time affair with her boss. I knew it was going on even though I had never met this woman. I loved her so much that I waited and hoped she would feel guilty and confess. She screamed at me at least 3 times to get the f...k out of my house. And once was trying top push me out the door in 3 degree weather. She became so out of control I couldnt stand this person that I did not know. She was not the woman I fell in love with, as the mask fell off big time due to her own stress of hiding, lying and cheating for so long. She spent her 50th birthday in NY state at a cabin that we had, with her boss in June. I knew they were up there together, and almost drove there to prove it. She than went to Wildwood on 4th of July, and again with her.
    I had tried everything with this woman because I loved her so much. But now I hated the negative burnt out tired, shell of a person she had made me.
    So, how to get back at a narc???? I moved out while she was away. Got some friends, a truck, and left NOT A TRACE OF ME, when she came home. She was so depressed and a major mess for months. BTW... Her boss left her for a guy right after I moved out. The thrill of sneaking around was gone for her straight, curious boss, who dumped her for a guy. She had NO supply now! And could not function alone. She tried very cunningly to try to get back with me, but as all narc`s do, she never appologized, or admitted that she did nothing wrong, and actually said she was entitled to be with someone else. She NEVER thought that I would leave her. So, my great exit was a nice slap in the face to her, who truly deserved it.......

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  19. I am struggling with feeling so low. That I was REJECTED/ABANDONED by a narcissist. And feelings like man I'm not good enough for him....
    It's been 26 days since he cut me off- without a conversation. Just a text.
    I've read so many articles about the N trying to keep you in the wings--that's not happening either. It's so messed up because I keep waiting. And then it's like I'm not worth that either.
    I keep telling myself that I'm absolutely doing the right thing by not reaching out to him.
    I can't comprehend how I was such an important part of his life to NOTHING.
    I am devastated all the time. And imagine his life is just proceeding as though I never existed.

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  20. I am struggling with feeling so low. That I was REJECTED/ABANDONED by a narcissist. And feelings like man I'm not good enough for him....
    It's been 26 days since he cut me off- without a conversation. Just a text.
    I've read so many articles about the N trying to keep you in the wings--that's not happening either. It's so messed up because I keep waiting. And then it's like I'm not worth that either.
    I keep telling myself that I'm absolutely doing the right thing by not reaching out to him.
    I can't comprehend how I was such an important part of his life to NOTHING.
    I am devastated all the time. And imagine his life is just proceeding as though I never existed.

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  21. Wow, this is a heavy topic with so many heavy broken hearts. I understand it. Been there and done it all, and back again. I'm still there, but surviving and thriving, setting my boundaries and slowly crawling out from beneath him with him.

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  22. Ok, so, after I was thrown out to the curb like a bag of garbage (after 23 years of marriage and two adult children) I stumbled on what a Narcissist is (I was Googling mental illness trying to figure out what was wrong with my brother, who definitely has mental issues). It was a life saving moment when I read the definition of a Narcissist and I have read every ounce of information on the topic that I can find. Before I even realized that "no contact" is imperative when escaping from a Narcissist, I had already implemented it on my own. After he walked out of our home to be with a woman he'd only known a short while, I was devastated... but I had the presence of mind to KNOW it was over and to never look back. He was so busy with his new 'love' and it was the holidays so he couldn't begin to think about what he had done to me or how he was going to deal with it.....so I secured a lawyer and filed for divorce and he was served the papers in the first week of February. Because he didn't see that coming and hadn't gotten HIS 'strategy' figured out about what HE was going to do concerning 'me'....he was very much caught off guard. And what does a Narcissist do when they are caught off guard and haven't determined what "they" are going to do about a situation? They get engaged to someone they barely know (on Valentine's Day, of course)! It really felt good to be the one who took the reins and made the decision of what to do, when to do it and how to do it! The rest is history and my wish came true that Karma would step in, take over and do the rest.....with a vengeance! It was a beautiful thing to watch his life spin out of control and within 2 years after he was married his relationship started to suffer and by 5 years after the marriage, she left him! During the marriage he had allowed his finances to go into ruins and eventually he lost everything (jobs, cars, houses, boats, material possessions, his grown children, money, reputation, etc.). As much pain as it caused me and as much mental torment as I have suffered, it is good to know that I did the right thing and made the choice to rid him from my life and NOT allow him any way back into my world. Please listen to me when I say: "You have to get them to HATE you in order for you to know you are safe from any more mental torture!" And apparently I did it perfectly! Karma was with me every step of the way. Good luck to anyone going through this and please just get out, don't look back and run, run, run as far away as you can!

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  23. I recently got out of a relationship that lasted four years and I may have been dating a narcissist. She came on very strong in the beginning with love bombing and wanted to hang out everyday when we first started dating. She always was complimenting me and saying that I was better than anyone she ever met. At the time I did not own a car and she drove me everywhere and supported me non stop. She bought me clothes, dinners, and much more. There were other characteristics that I noticed about her during the time we had together.




    -she was highly reactive to criticism

    -talked negatively about her family

    -she took many selfies and asked me to take pictures of her very frequently

    -was very competitive and materialistic

    -was controlling and distrustful

    -she was easily hurt and needed constant admiration

    -she had names of past boyfriends in her phone




    We felt great together for about two years and then it seemed as if things were going down hill. I asked her if we could take a break for a month or so to clear our minds but she broke down into tears and I stayed with her. I requested the same six months later and she broke into tears again. After about three and a half years she was putting a lot of pressure on me for marriage. I had offered her two rings which she turned down which made me reluctant to marry her. Her mother was highly involved in the relationship. She told her daughter(my girlfriend) that I would never marry her. The day that she broke up with me was on the day my niece was born. She went into a tantrum asking what I wanted in life. I was in shock even though this wasn't the first tantrum she had towards me. On such a special day she made it all about her. I was so overwhelmed that I gave her a kiss and left her apartment. We were in touch the next day and she said that I wasn't supportive enough in the relationship and that she had to move on. I tried to work things out by saying that I'm not totally ready for marriage and kids but I still love her and want to be with her. She still said she had to move on. I was totally devastated. I wanted her back and called a week later to see if her mind had changed. She was still set on moving on. 6 months passed and I received a text from her asking how I was. This is the first time that she reached out to me. She started to love bomb again and we met for dinner. I later found out that she had quickly tried to start another relationship(and sleeping with this new person) less than a month after she broke up with me. She burst into tears begging for me back. She mentioned that this was the only mistake that she ever made in life and that I am her soul mate and she loves me so much. I was once again in shock and heartbroken to hear that she had been so hasty. It has been very difficult since I had to cut off all contact with her. How could someone who claimed to love you be so hasty and turn on you the way she did? I feel that I was supportive in many ways in the relationship. I'm trying to not be so hard on myself but I still feel that I'm to blame for what happened. I'd appreciate any advise you may have.

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  24. Four years with a narcissist who I left my husband of 22 years for. He was charming, fun, outgoing and everyone loves him. I put my whole identity into being his girlfriend. He didn't want kids and didn't want to be in a relationship with someone who did, I have three, so I did what I could to "shelter" him from them. I couldn't wait for the weekend when they were at thier dad's so I could run to him. I became part of HIS social circle a part of HIS family, he did not become part of mind because I didn't want to burden him with any problems in my life, I just wanted to be his. I learned early on that he had to have other sex partners, I called him on it, and every time he would tell me that "it won't happen again", or "I fucked up". He was always suspicious of what I was doing or where I was. He needed my constant attention, when I was there, I needed to be by his side, watching him while he cooked or while he worked in the yard or while he worked on his motorcycle. I had to go to the store with him, I had to run errands with him. Then he started to talk about making long terms plan, he brought up marriage, he planned constantly about when we buy our cabin together, or what we would do in retirement. I was over the moon with happiness when he talked like that. But when I would leave to go home, my anxiety was so great I couldn't function, always wondering what he was lying to me about, who he was with, or when he would leave me. Every day was agony, and I spent four years in constant pain. I read on some of the other posts that in their relationship, he would "cut" them off for 10 days, that was also a pattern for him. But that would usually happen AFTER I caught him sleeping with someone else, or if I happened to embarrass him in front of his friends. He always knew how long to let me hang out there before reeling me back in. And I would ALWAYS apologize for what he did wrong. I would tell him how much I loved him and that he was the only person I ever needed. I lost 60 pounds because I thought that he deserved to have a beautiful woman by his side, and it was always a slap in the face when the women AND men that he slept with were neither thin nor good looking. I would say to myself everyday that I need to find a way out of this insanity and that no one should feel this way in a relationship, but the thought of not having him was way to painful, and I stayed because I didn't want to endure that pain. Then 2 weeks ago, I get a text that he is just not "truly happy" and that he is done. I call.... of course.... and he tells me the same. I ask if there is anyone else, he tells me well, yes there is something I would like to pursue and that he thinks he could be happy. I beg and plead as usual and then I hang up. I knew that I had to purge all things him from my life, every picture, every article. Although the constant anxiety is gone, I am still grieving the loss of what I wanted our life to be. I have only reached out to him once, I received no reply. My advise to those going through this, seek professional help, because you all were victims of abuse, probably not physical, but mental and emotional, which is sometimes more damaging that actually getting hit.

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  25. I have started feeling that I might be a codependent. I was with a guy who has traits of covert narcissism but I'm not sure if he is one. It feels like I have been with two people (two faces of the same man). I feel he loved me at his convenience, just at times, when he wanted to. Those times he would love me so much that it felt too good to be true. Apart from those times he would not consider my feelings at all or just failed to understand them. He would treat me like trash deliberately, and I still tried my best to be nice to him unless I could not anymore and say something out of anger and he would leave (break up) like a nice guy saying it wasn't working anymore. I apologized everytime I said something out of anger but he wouldn't consider my apology saying "things are long over between us". If I tried to talk to him and sort things out, he would simply say that he doesn't wanna see my face anymore and I was just doing unnecessary drama, and he wants his way out. When I felt I have had enough, I would stop trying to talk to him. Then after days he would just reappear blaming me for leaving him or giving up on him without making any effort. He would tell me that I destroyed his life and he will never smile or love again because of me and someday I would find him dead. These words terrified me to the core and made me feel I was making a great mistake and I got back with him everytime, even taking the blame (even though I wasn't at fault, I didn't leave him in the first place, he did). Once he even told me that after the break up he WANTED me to go and tell him that he is the most important thing in my life and I can't be without him, but I know for sure that if I did something like that, he would only tell me that I was being desperate and nagging (he has said that before). It's like after a fight if I do give efforts to fix things, he said I was nagging and doing unnecessary drama, and when I stopped he said I let him go so easily. I didn't know what to do. he never takes responsibility for his actions, gets physically violent and abusive at times even with his family and friends and blames them instead, saying they are responsible for making him behave that way. I believe I went too far to please him but no matter what I did I couldn't make him happy. He wouldn't trust me at all. But when he WAS in the mood for loving me, he would shower me with compliments as if I were the best human being on earth (but those times were limited) I did not set boundaries, sabotaged my needs a lot of times but I can't do it anymore. I feel the need to make him happy or fix him but it exhausts me. My narcissist has again abandoned me after a fight 3 weeks back and I didn't contact him since, though we are in the same college and I see him everyday. He ignores me completely (he has done that a lot of times before but always comes back). I also stay out of his way. Though I don't want to get back with him, I am having trouble moving on as if something very important is missing from my life. I can't stop stalking him on social media. I feel a void.

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  26. This is a beautiful article, it is horrible how both our narcs sound very similar. After the trauma I was such a emotional wreck that couldn't even put into words why I had hurt so much. My narc was a sadist and sexually abused me so much that I couldn't see I was being raped by a sick pervert under the disguise of a "relationship". Thank you so much for putting into words what I still can't. Narcs are evil people that enjoy the Jekyll Hyde split personality they project. It makes me disgusted we have to share society with these people, it is like putting a good person with a serial killer.

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  27. The problem with narcissists is they try to convince you that your basic needs are too much to ask, and you go crazy trying to figure out how to do it 'right' and make your partner happy enough to love you back.


    This is exactly how I am feeling and blaming myself for the collapse of my marriage in the first year. Whatever I did was not enought be cared and considered and I ended up being frustrated, having outburst but then again forgiving him and trying to fix things again. Then him ignoring me more. I even thought I might be a narcissist and felt bad about how much I made him sad..

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